By Mike Dougherty
UTICA – While a lengthy postgame ceremony dragged on, Frazier Bostwick and Jack Grimm stole a moment along the boards to commiserate a difficult loss in the state championship game and commemorate a memorable run by the Indians.
The runner-up medals in hand provided very little consolation.
“We’ve played four years together on the same line,” Bostwick said. “It’s obviously quite sad, but we talked about what everybody has done for the program.”
John Jay had a chance to make a remarkable season historic, but gave up a third-period lead on Sunday and watched Christian Brothers Academy-Jamesville DeWitt celebrate a 4-2 win in the Division 2 title game at The Aud. The Indians were back on the ice some 24 hours after they came up with a dramatic semifinal comeback, and once the lead was gone, the legs began to wobble.
“I think our guys were tired,” head coach Alex Smith said. “I think Saturday was such an amazing finish, and we turn around and go at 12 o’clock, but that’s the way it goes. They must have been just as tired.”
After giving up three goals in the first period of the semifinal, John Jay started cautiously. The Indians made a point of learning from that game and eventually began to control the puck in the offensive zone.
The intensity faded momentarily when Ryan Durkin beat Matt Lanza inside the near post and gave the CBA-JD a 1-0 lead with 8:07 to go in the first.
A near miss by the Brothers immediately after the goal seemed to inspire John Jay to pick the intensity back up. The Indians were strong defensively and kept the pressure on at the other end. And when the period came to an end, John Jay had some momentum.
The Indians (23-2-1) came back out in the second and were again strong on the puck. Getting anything past CBA-JD goalkeeper Tim Decker was not easy. He was tested a number of times, but kept making timely saves.
Frazier Bostwick finally scored on a wrister from the right circle with 1:49 to go in the period. It prompted the hundreds of John Jay fans who made the ride up for the championship to exhale simultaneously.
The Indians weren’t done yet.
Lanza came up with a huge stop on Sam Meuller in the final seconds of the period and the puck was poked out by Anthony Scapperotti. It wound up on the stick of Bostwick, who noticed Grimm coming back all by himself. There wasn’t a defenseman in sight.
“I was pretty surprised,” Bostwick said.
The pass was perfectly timed. Grimm skated in and calmly scored with two seconds to go to make it a 2-1 lead.
“I was thinking not to go offside,” Grimm said. “I wasn’t thinking about how much time was left. I just have sort of a go-to move. I don’t like doing anything fancy in that situation, so I just went to my backhand.”
John Jay had the momentum in hand going into the intermission.
It began to slip away when Connor Moore was called for making contact with the head with just 1:07 gone in the third. Braeden Doust knotted the score 10 seconds later. He got loose and finished a 2-on-1 rush with 10 minutes to play to give the Brothers a 3-2 lead.
John Jay was stunned, and the end was clearly at hand when Drew Brooks scored an empty-net goal with 46 seconds to play.
“Not only physically, but mentally, you start to get drained,” Bostwick said. “We should be really proud of our season and what we’ve done for John Jay hockey. It’s pretty upsetting now, but once it all sinks in, everybody should be proud.”
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I am reading people saying why is a private school allowed to participate? I will go one better. I have less of a problem with them being private because they have been in the section for year, what is worse is that they are a “combined” program. Multiple schools. Once again a legitimate small school by enrollment loses a huge opportunity to a merged program. If they are merged, thats a huge advantage, they should be forced to play division 1.
Congratulations to John Jay on a remarkable run and a great season. Much to be proud of boys.
Congrats John Jay on an excellent season. Once again you proved that Section 1 has arrived. Great job Boys!
Did I read the tweets correctly? Nobody frm JJ made 1st, 2nd or HM for the state? And other secion 1 kids made it onto the 2nd team and HM even though the section 1 committee had picked Shawn Smith as player of the year So the state committee took section 1’s opinion of Shawn Smith and tossed it out the window? Who would kow better who is the best in section 1? People who see all the section 1 players. What am I missing? anyway, conrats to JJ on an amazing season.
Insanity
Good point-gotta be D 1 with 2 schools!
Back to my point, if you don’t play around the state, the other coaches won’t vote for you because they haven’t seen you play. By the time the State Tourney comes around, it’s too late.
Great season John Jay. Great program great players & coach
Nice effort by Jay. Did the Section proud. Smith should have been all state. Jay has always had talent. Nice to see their committed coach help them put it all together.
Great job John Jay, you made Section 1 fans proud, you represented your school with pride, dedication and determination. Congratulation, until next year, BIA
SNS, SHI and KPV have all played DII. Combo teams can fall below the cutoff. At least the state now has a hard cut off. Last time Rye was in Utica for DII frozen four they were bounced by MW (2,000 plus students).
My son (JJ senior) got home about an hour ago. When I asked him about the outcome, he was satisfied with everything except one thing. If they could change anything, they wished Coach Smith would’ve gotten Coach of the Year. He said that was the team’s biggest disappointment. The boys were shocked he didn’t get it.
John jay outplayed CBA but could not get any bounces, also it was a weak call on Moore’s penalty.
FOTG is right about Smith making all state but i think Ta Da is also correct when he says J was at a disadvantage not being that well known around the state until play offs. Not defending system-is what it is. Jay is on the map now And should keep playing some tough games upstate on its schedule.
Ta-Da, you are probably right. But screw the rest of the state.
Forget upstate clowns. When you live up there… You lose even when you win.
Triple Option-
Coach of the year goes to the coach who won the state title. It is automatic (except in 2011 when Witz won D2 despite Cazenovia winning the title because of an issue with the Caz coach not joining the coaches association and therefore not being elligible for the award). Basically, CBA won the title, the CBA coach wins the hardware.
Speaking of which, the all-state teams are all posted at http://www.section1hockey.com/201213Awards.html
JJ got robbed, two kids on Ogdensburg? I hate to open up a can of worms, but did JJ/CR register their team with the nyshshca?
Seems like a lot of good JJ players deserved to be up there, especially Coach Smith.
Ta-Da- it does smell a little like two years ago when Caz went undefeated thru the season and yet no one from the team made all state.
They didn’t register with the nyshshca and were not allowed to have any kids on the All-State Team…That’s why I am wondering if it’s a JJ oversight.
Thanks Cliffy
Isn’t it like 30 bucks for a team to join? Doesn’t the school usually just pay it?
I guess if John Jay did not join the state club, then they can’t get in.
As far as coach of the year. That always has to go to the coach that wins the state championship. Coach Smith had a great year, but to the victor… goes the spoils.
@SR – very true, but he took a team that was basically off the radar all year and bought them to the State Championship. Something doesn’t smell right, they should of had at least one player on the All-State Team.
Smith should’ve been an all state player. No doubt. Jj was off the radar even though they were winning all year. You downstaters were not giving them any cred till they beat Pelham and rye in the playoffs. It’s not only section 1 that got left out. Niagara Wheatfield did not lose to a public school until Saratoga beat us sat. We don’t even have a first team section 6 player on our team. I look at that as an honor to the team. We were a true team and so was John Jay. But I guess we are losers because spy report says so. ????
Now I know why Howie went up to Utica. Got McGee on the All-State team. Surprised Chap didn’t go up there to get THF on the team. Everyone knows Tozzo wouldn’t be up there no matter what. He never even went up there when Prunesti played for him.
A player has to be nominated in order to be considered, and you are not eligible to be nominated unless you were all section in your home section. Anyone who is a member of the coaches association can nominate a player (it is $35 per team to join, and that gets your entire coaching staff in for the year), but it is usually that player’s coach who nominates him.
Not sure if JJCR joined the association or not, and either way if anyone nominated any JJCR players to be considered. Then, even if they were nominated, if nobody at the meeting Saturday night stood up for them and none of the coaches knew who they were (due to their limited out-of-section travels), it may be tough to convice a room-full of people to pick them.
Again, don’t know any of the details, but it has happened before and I’m sure it will happen again in the future.
As for coach of the year, only way Smith would have won it was to have beten CBA this afternoon. Just the way it goes.
oh yes, prunesti . . . what division one team has he signed with?
experts you guys were
NW- Agree with your analysis. A few years back, when Sec One still had the power leagues, there were very good power league players who didn’t get all league and thus were ineligible for all section and then all state.
@ Cliff. JJ was not a member. You can see who is and isn’t a member by going on the NYSHSHCA website and clicking the Member Schools link in the column on the left side of their home page.
Prunesti was just chosen number 1 by the elmsford rangers at wsa
That’s why you gotta get your education to get in to a decent college all you kiddies out there. Many high school stars go nowhere in their chosen sport, and then they’re left holding the bag as all his/her buddies go off to college and start their lives. Then you’re stuck with no options except to perhaps go the junior college rout.
Always have to have plan B in the works, just in case that professional sports career does not work out.
... his buddies went off to college and he handed over $25k to Santini for the privilege of not making D1.
If you are a really good player in Westchester, study really hard, get good grades, and maybe you can use your hockey to help get you in to Williams or Colby like that Pelham kid.
Don’t be a knucklehead. Knuckleheads are a dime a dozen and they all seem to want to give Santini money.
@Dump
So a 20 year old is “stuck with no options” because he chose to pursue something valuable and perhaps it wasn’t accomplished.
Not.
In the big accounting of life there will be one less regret on the ledger.
what section reffed the finals?? I know section one did the semi finals
Al—weren’t you one of the clowns insisting he was can’t miss for D1? why would anyone listen to you for advice?
It’s real simple.. Mommy or daddy have to enable lil Joey to live the dream @ $8000 (hard costs) plus thousands more in soft costs to play juniors. Is a business. Anyone will take your money. If Joey is good enough he will be found. Education 1st. There is nothing wrong with playing club hockey while getting your education. Love college freshman at 21 (so do junior programs) and graduating at 25 or 26. 99.99% end up in men’s leagues..
We do agree on that. If you listened to me for advice, well..you probably only be known as a 3rd rate blogger on a local high school hockey blog.
C’mon now families and kids make decisions after high school that sometimes work out spectacularly and sometimes fall short of expectations or wants. This is not just limited to junior hockey in pursuit of higher levels.
At 20 years old you’ve got plenty of time to re-adjust. I’ll paraphrase a Rocket Fuel post from last week…”You can choose how to react”...from adversity.
Congratulations john jay on a great season it is so hard to win it all the state tournament is a crap-shoot. Be very proud of your accomplishments it is tough to lose such a close game. Suffern has had their share and ask Pelham too not easy under the pressure and playing back to back.
Hows this for heartbreak:
2010 Suffern loses by one goal to West Genny in state semi finals who wins states.
2011 Suffern loses by one goal to WIlly North in state semi finals who wins states.
2012 Suffern wins three one goal games in states and wins it.
2013 Suffern loses by one goal to Saratoga in state quarters who steamrolls final 4 and wins states.
Now before all the bashers chime in with choke and other negative comments I just use Suffern as an example of how tough it is. I think if programs like Pelham and now JJ keep knocking on door it will happen for them eventually until you witness the whole Utica experience it is hard to put in perspective.
Section 1 is in the state wide conversation and thats a good thing.
still want to know what section reffed the finals?
This all star team is not a list of the best players in NY State , This is the Coaches Assn AllStar team.
To be on this team you must be nominated by a coach of a member school .there are no Secton 1 players (or for that mater any player) named on the team from a school that is not a Coaches Assn member..in Sec 1 only 50% of the schools are members.J ohm Jay CR does not belong so it is not a coincidence that there is no JJ player on the team.
Any Division 2 All Star Team that includes no players from JJ is not an All Star team
Hey Al,
Are you insane?. My point was not that he shoudl not have tried to play D1, my point is that you gotta get your grades. If not… your options will be limited when that pro career does not work out.
Even a dolt like yourself should be able to figure that one out. I am not picking one kid out… this story is almost as old as the bible.
@ Sweet n’ Low. Is a game that is 3-1 until 4 minutes left and ends up 4-1 a steamroll? Saratoga was a better team than Niagara Wheatfield, but I’m not sure about being steamrolled. Nothing against Suffern, but they had Toga on home ice where Suffern does not lose and lost 3-2. We had them on neutral ice where Saratoga had been each or the last three years. First time for all our boys and it showed. But to assume that had Suffern beat Saratoga so they automatically beat Niagara Wheatfield is a stretch. Like you said, and I agree. Once you get to Utica it’s a crap shoot. Torres said after the semi-final that that was the best his team played all year. Congrats to them. They were the best team.
It is a daunting task at best to pick an All State Team.
All coaches are eligible to join. For a $ 35.00 fee the head coach and everyone on his staff becomes menbers.
Once a coach is a member he can nominate up to 3 players for All State, make a nomination for the Hall of Fame and attend the open meeting which actually selects the team on Saturday night in Utica.
Nominations must be in right after the Regionals or earlier.A player must be an All Section Player to be nominated. The full list of regulations may be seen on our web site http://www.nyshshca.org.
Historically the players are nominated on the basis of their season or career body of work.
It helps if your team has played around the state, it helps if a representative of your team attend the open meeting, it helps if your team does well in the Final Four.
The team is not picked on the basis of how well he did in Utica. The ALL TOURNAMENT TEAM
fulfills that function.
The system is not perfect by any means but it is best we mere mortals can do. I personnally think that every player on the All State Team deserves to be there. Are there some players that are missed of course.
I am the chairman of that committee and I want to tell you that i send out REMINDERS to the coaches all the time to join.
To NOMINATE
To ATTEND the OPEN meeting
We also make it very simple to join,to nominate, it is all done on line and comes automatically to the web master, the secretary-treasure and the chairman of the selection committee.
The organization will not take any nominations on selection night.
Based upon the subject matter and the juxtiposition of posts.. it sure reads like you (and “still waiting”) are picking on one kid..
@NW no disrespect meant to your team I was just trying to point out how close this stuff is. But you can not deny that outscoring the opposition 9-1 in the final four is a dominating performance. They were the best team this year and believe me I was pulling for your team in the semis we all know how good the Buffalo section is.
Ok. So no John jay kids were eligible for all state this year. But let’s look at the glass half full…. John jay saved themselves a whole 35 bucks in the process. Ugh.
#bigmistake.
Hey al. Since when is 20 yrs old a “kid”. Maybe his parents could’ve pushed the books more. Maybe other “can’t miss D1 players” can learn from this.
SNL. I can’t disagree with you. I’m not blowing smoke by saying this, but Section 1’s top teams are as good as any section in the state. The main difference is that some of the upstate sections, and I mean 6 and 5, are just deeper.
I am pretty sure JJ wouldn’t do that to save 35 bucks, not a cheap school or hockey program so I think there must have been some misunderstanding or something.. Either way its a shame that Shawn Smith doesn’t get 1st or 2nd team all-state
To Mr Orlando
Any Division 2 All star team or HM that has no players from JJ is at risk of being ignored.
Most mere mortals will understand that the 40 + schools that don’t beloong to your association have no players on any of your coaches all star team.
While any player you name may deserve to be on the team, you have almost
No right to call it a NY State all star team -it is a coaches all star team from schools that belong
N-W, let’s not forget Suffern had beaten Saratoga Springs in Saratoga 3-1 earlier in the year. Also, Suffern’s final home game was not a true home game, Saratoga’s supportive fans filled half of the stands. It was an exciting game. Saratoga deservingly won the New York State championship.
However, the 2012-2013 Suffern team was strong and could have possibly repeated as NY State champions. One goal seperated them from the same opportunity Saratoga Springs enjoyed. Mamaroneck fans probably feels the same way.
I want to extend my thanks to the coaches and players for both teams. There were many very entertaining D1 high school ice hockey games.
Mamaroneck and Suffern fans should be anticipating a very exciting 2013-2014 season!
So the bottom line if they don’t want to be missed, join the association, nominate your player or players, be at the meeting and plead your case, travel around the state a little and get exposure.
Who is to say that any kid not on the team is better than one who is.
OR in today’s society maybe every player should be All State.
So the bottom line is don’t call it the “all state” team when it is not. Does shannanigans like that happen in any other sport? You play in a NYS championship eligible team but you are excluded from inclusion on the all state team?
nuts
@Larry – Look a little closer at the players selected. Looks like an All State Team to me. And if you were honest with yourself, you’d agree. Not to say there weren’t any JJ players who could have been on the list, but it would have been very close either way. Don’t take away from the players that are on the list. They deserve to be there.
Mr Orlando
As far as your queeson as to “Who is to say anyone not named is better than someone who is chosen”——- the answer is “you Assn has the say”
You have to know that you have not named the best players for a New York all star team ,
You need to find a different way to determine who should be all stars—-I know of no other sport who does it your way
I am not saying those named don’t deserve to be there but I am being honest with myself when I say that there are others (check the Section one all star team listings) who should be there . I am finished as I know you will not get my point.
Caz made the same mistake 2 years ago. Too bad it was repeated again this year. I am sure Jay will register and attend the meetings going forward. Smith has another shot next season, along with Leprine and Lanza. Of those 3, only Smith was eligible for All State as the other two didn’t make all Section (a prerequisite to all state).
Larry
And then again maybe some coaches look at the big picture and honestly feel that there players are not in the top 20 around the state.
Many coaches nominate players from other teams whom they feel are deserving and not their own.
If you look at the state records many of section 1 players are at the top of the lists but ask yourself do we have many teams in our section are weak and give up the big stats?
But to the teams in Section 1, we are getting better and better and becoming more competitive with the rest of the state but some teams still have a way to go.
@ Suffern Fan Forever. I agree with you that they were 1 goal away from tying the game. They then would’ve had to win it. They were very close I give you that. When it comes to home ice I really don’t care about fans, it’s more the ice, boards, locker room and refs. Plus you aren’t on a bus for two or three hours. The game in Saratoga was played without the better of the two Flynns on the ice. Say what you want, but that boy makes a difference. And when you add them together 1+1=3. Suffern is a great program. No disrespect. I was just saying that had suffern beat toga, it would not have meant suffern would have the championship locked up.
One of the Saratoga Flynn brothers missed a lot of games this year (I assume he was injured) including the one against Suffern. He certainly added a lot to the regional game and I agree with N-W that 1+1=3. I think Suffern needed to do a little 1+1=3. Pair up their best forwards to make some magic rather than spreading them out to create line balance. At least when we were trailing in the 3rd and needed a goal.
N-W, what were the SOG in the N-W/Saratoga game? Someone who was at the game told me that a lot of the game was played in N-W’s end.
Mr. O. You are correct, making everyone “all-state” will end this ridiculous discussion.. Everyone is special and everyone is great..wait till these kids get a dose of the real world.. They all better work for US govt. and get on the free money gravy train.
B, I don’t think it is the kids. It is usually the parents who want some sort of payoff at the end of spending 100k+ over the years on the kids hockey.
It is ridiculous to think that if Suffern gets past Saratoga that they would have won the state. If you go by that thinking, if Mamaroneck does not choke the championship game away to suffern… Mamaroneck would have been able to win the state too if they got past toga….
There are a lot of IF’s in these scenarios. Bottom line is… neither team won it. You can what if all you want. All those teams mentioned had a chance to go on and win the state…. Saratoga is the one who took it.
SR..you are correct..it is mommy n daddy who expect the ROI from their big investments. And the Toga debate is just plain dumb. Coulda shoulda woulda. Sufferns season ended on March 2. Period.
I’m, sorry but any selection system that effectively eliminates 40% of the players from being considered can’t be validated as being fair
Suffern Fan you are so right, why in the 3rd period didn’t Suffern adjust and Put there best forwards togeather, Hill and Tiso should have been out there on the same line in the third period, Suffern made no adjustments and lost, I just don’t understand the Suffern Coaching staff, Being a Suffern fan for many years ….leaves me scratching my head wondering?
Larry
Time to put it to bed
many players that WERE nominated did not make it
@ bed time
I made my point .Good Night
@Suffern fan. I believe the shots were 28-14. A lot of the game was played in our end. Probably similar to suffern game up in Saratoga where the shots were 32-13. Only difference is Suffern won that game. Didn’t work out for us. Saratoga was a talented classy hard working team and they earned it. They definitely earned it.
N-W, Thanks for all your Upstate updates through out the year, In the Sectional play-off game, Suffern and Toga shots were about even, who do you think will be the up state team to beat next year
@NW, No doubt. Saratoga earned it. They had their tough losses the last few years and this year they went out and took it.
I’m hoping it’s us. We don’t lose much to graduation, but we don’t know yet if we lose any kids to Juniors or full year midgets. They can’t play for us. Lancaster, Frontier and Clarence lose a lot. Orchard Park will be tough if they don’t lose underclassmen. Williamsville North loses their two top scorers and a top D. Also lose a kid that is a hustle player that makes things happen even if they don’t show on the scoresheet. That’s what I know in section 6. In section 5 I think Mcquaid loses a lot. Not sure about the other teams. I assume Pittsford and Fairport will be tough. Fortunately for everyone in the state, Saratoga loses their two top lines and Wormley. But I bet you guys already knew that.
Section 3 will probably have the usual suspects with WG and RFA at the top. CNS loses Eric Hamilton who made that team go. It was a fun year. Already looking fw to next year.
Thanks for a great blog Mike!
It’s awful reading comments from people criticizing a kid chasing his dream. I wonder how many of the commenters amounted to anything by the time they were 25.
Is there some kind of race to finish college by 21? Maybe the better idea is to finish college on your own terms or for that matter time table. These kids have decades ahead of them to join the rest of the working stiffs. Maybe what’s more important is not moving on with regrets. Never thought about all those dumb Olympians who didn’t win a medal. They should have contacted B or Still Waiting to get advice on not wasting their time.
This kid is just, that’s right just 20 years old and he did something you probably never did: committed to his dream and went after it. That lesson is worth a few college semesters.
Maybe you were jealous of how good he was in HS. Probably one of those guys saying he’s not that good. Well making Apple Core in the EJHL is one hell of an accomplishment. Playing for that team with his statistics will likely land him a collegiate roster spot somewhere real good if he chooses to do so. Mite be a tough pill for you to swallow but who cares.
Ahh sec 1 fan.. Your so sensitive. Never mentioned any kids.. Just a difference of opinion. All I said was Get your education 1st. The longer you are away from school the tougher it gets to get back.. I said, if your good enough they will find you. The dream is fine, as long as mommy n daddy don’t have to fund it till there 26..not jealous of anyone. It’s a cold cruel world out there, where the strong survive. As for the dumb Olympians u mentioned, most are sponsored. How else could they afford to throw a hammer 8 hours a day and survive.
Thanks N-W, I’m already Looking forward to next year and watching this young Suffern Team mature and see if they can improve even more.
A buddy of mine has a son who played Applecore for two years. Damn good D man. The stipulation was that he had to take take two classes per semester at the local community college to chase his dream. Turns out when ended up picking a school to attend full-time (from the offers that were afforded him from playing Juniors) he killed it with his grades. Turns out a 20 yr old Freshman is a bit more mature than your average incoming 17-18 yr old and doesn’t spend the first semester of school trying to figure out who will wipe his nose and brush his teeth for him. My buddy says the whole thing worked out great for his son… It works both ways…
That’s fine..whose raising these 17/18 year olds, who can’t brush there teeth or blow there noses?? Again sounds like bad parenting. 2 of my kids graduated in 4 years, got great educations, have excellent paying jobs and were on there own at 22 living the dream in Manhattan..independent, self reliant and on there own. They find it amusing when friends of there’s are 23 year old sophomores playing club hockey.
Agreed it can work both ways…
No sensitivity all all B, nothing to be sensitive about. You’re just one of those Parents who had to watch someone else move to a higher level of hockey and it makes you feel better that your kid is working in manhattan at 22. I’m not sure but there must be statistics that show early entry into the work force leads to greater lifetime achievement. Oops maybe that’s not true.
It’s amazing how little you know. Jrs will take anybody’s money who’s willing to pay, damn that’s funny. It’s probably true for the circles you’re familiar with. Making an EJHL team has nothing to do with who’s willing to pay.
If you’re good enough they will find you? Haha ha, another good one. Sneaky group of D1 coaches perusing local HS games, you just can’t pick them out of the crowd. Of course you can spot them at several apple core games but that must be cause there’s less people at those games.
Oh, by the way, when do those Olympian hopefuls start getting sponsored, 4 or 5 years old? Good thing the sponsors know who they are right from the get go so the parents don’t have to foot any of the bill.
Sec 1 fan ya got me…what dream is your little joey chasing? I’m a parent who is realistic. I understand juniors are a business.. The AC team has 2 kids committed to D3 this year. They get a little funny money showered on them. Big deal. Now what? Go to school and get their education..
What is the end game? Is it to get a good education, get a job and be independent or play minor league hockey till your 30 for $12,000/year and live with mommy n daddy..
My point is and always will be to do well in school.
Their finding kids out of high end tier 1 programs when their 15/16.. Where u been. Unless you are from a NE Prep or Minnesota, they don’t even look at HS hockey. Wake up my friend.
By the way, I don’t now many 4 year olds who want to throw hammers or javelins..
The extra year playing AC seemed to work out well for the Pelham kid. Playing hockey in the NESCAC (the little Ivies) next year. Gets to continue playing the sport and get a great education to boot.
N-W Nice team you have good luck to you next season.
B try reading your posts. Yeah you mixed in an education point here and there but its the rest of your agenda thats so ridiculous. At least 2 of your posts are about how little joey’s parents spend their money. what business is it of yours (here is where you have an axe to grind, jealousy rears its ugly head)
Some parents are willing to financially support their kids dream and arent overly concerned about getting them out of the house in record time.
Playing a “Varsity” sport in college while getting your education for some people is a great way to experience college. For the college athlete, D1, D3 or club, the college experience can foster a greater individual school identity. Quite possibly worth the one or two year delay of their 80+ year lives. Not to mention that for a good percentage of the kids, the one or two years of maturity leads to greater scholastic success. Points lost on you because you only see what your kids did or couldn’t do.
Great job putting words into my posts or maybe one of them was over your head. I clearly made the point that the local HS games are not scouted by the Varisty collegiate programs thats why many have to play Juniors. For some exceptional kids, they get college commitments at 15/16 but the vast majority get picked up at older ages in prep school or Junior programs like the USHL or the EJHL.
Apparently you’re a little slow and didn’t grasp that Olympians cover a wide variety of sports. You chose to use the Hammer throw as your example in one of your replys. No reason to expand upon its general meaning as it was clearly implied. Unfortunately I have to write this paragraph to make that clear. Skiers, figure skaters, swimmers, HOCKEY PLAYERS, etc generally get very early starts all funded by Mommy and Daddy.
I have a joey or two. Hes usually chasing one dream or another but thats what children do (its still in that stage where anything is possible). I have no problem supporting it financially, it is what some parents do. My job isnt to dash his dreams its to make sure that he meets his education responsiblities in a reasonable timeframe while chasing them. If handled properly, he’ll have no problem supporting himself (even in manhattan) but he wont be burdened with any “what ifs”.
@sec1fan – Great post, your points are right on
my dream is to be a ref!
Thanks section 1. Your a nice man. I m glad u took the time to clarify your position with your last post. You lost me at “try”.. I don’t care what you think.. “Obama” it’s ok to have a different opinion than yours.. Keep funding and leading your kids down whatever path you chose to support thier dreams. Hopefully your dreams come true..
I love Disney World too!
Ahhhh B…....you’re so sensitive.
I’m not surprised I lost you at “try”. It’s the meaning of that word that’s elluded you the entire discussion. No wonder you know about the Gov’t job free money gravy train. Boy all your posts are so well meaning, just trying to help mommy and daddy deal with low ROI’s.
I’ve been to Disney, it’s a great place. Next time I go I’ll be sure and pick up your Dumbo ears and trunk.
Mr fan. Please pick up the dumbo ears n trunk..you and your family will look great in them..you are such an Obama loving, free loading American.. Your family must be so proud of you.. I am.. There are welfare to work programs available for you..first you must take a reading comp class at your local BOCES to prepare you for the real world..good luck..the new Pope n I will be praying for you and your family..stay strong Sparky..
Sec 1 Fan, well said.