Here’s a little insider information about Rye, which is 6-0 heading into today’s game. Jason Friesen wasn’t thrilled with the execution yesterday, but complimented his team for working hard and fighting to get the win. That’s a mark of a good team, finding a way when the goals are not coming easy.
Thursday, Dec. 29
Rye vs. West Seneca West, 11:45 a.m. at West Seneca Ice Rink
Shaker-Colonie vs. Clarkstown, noon at Bethlehem
Yesterday
Rye 4, West Seneca East 3
Chaminade 5, Iona Prep 3
Saratoga 4, Pelham 3 OT
Bethlehem 9, Clarkstown 3
Niskayuna/Schanectady 7, North Rockland 1
Pearl River 7, Nyack/Tappan Zee 2
Newburgh 3, Ossining 3 OT (NFA wins shootout 1-0)
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Rye is unbeaten and Pelham has two losses both in overtime. Looks like a good match up brewing
Rye score anyone?
Pelham lost to GF in regulation, beat Qburry in OT and just lost to Toga in OT.
Pelham losing a whole lot of OT games this year! I know it’s often a toss of the dice, but they have to learn to finish! I hope they do it often comes down to that should They or Rye go to the States.
Rye ties wsw 6-6. Wsw looked like a D1 state power.
A win for Rye in this game actually surprised that WSW scored 6 goals against them and Rye sored 6 goals themselves. Still Unbeaten!
just caught the rye game. exilerating 6-6 tie. back and forth the whole game. west seneca west was pretty strong, probably best team rye has played to date…... WOYWITKA SMASH
West Seneca West is a division 2 team.
WSW is a traditionally strong program and as I said it’s a win for Rye to even hang with them. They have not allowed ANYBODY to score 6 goals or even close to that this year or mostly any year for that matter. i’m really surprised that first Rye was able to tie them and secondly at the score itself
Rye…WSW is considered div 2 you’re right…but they play mostly D1 schools in their section and have always done very well.
WSW should be ranked above both Rye and Pelham. The only reason is because the schedule they play. It kind of goes to show how the rankings in NYS means little if anything….
Section 1 teams (with the possible exception of Suffern are inferior to the top teams in upstate NY for the most part
all this talk about how rye and pelham are very close with each other is invalid. Don’t get me wrong, Ryes a great squad, but they have a significantly easier schedule than Pelham does. Pelham is definately the better team.
It’s funny in hockey, and I really don’t know the reason why that sec 6 teams in the Buffalo area do not get the respect they deserve from the ranking commitees. The section 6 teams play the Catholic league up there ( which is far superior to the Catholics down here) as well as a lot of privates which often reflects in their records which maybe the answer,
I would not say at this point that Pelham is “definetly the better team” they are very close and it should again be a classic match-up!
As I said in an earlier post, WSW is at least similar to ETB. Just go on the Section 6 website and see their results. The tie at the end of a long road trip (7hrs each way) does not surprise me. The high score does. Rye gave up twice as many goals this weekend as in all other games to date combined. Sounds like it would be a good time to work Rye’s recovering strong skating dman back onto the lineup.
WSW did not beat Rye, they tied them at home. WSW has zero significant wins. If they were a ranked team the guys from upstate would certainly push for that. Rye is the real deal no question and are still undefeated. Pelham did lose in over time to Saratoga, but Saratoga almost beat undefeated Williamsville North two days ago losing to them in ot. Keep in mind each team does thing differently. Some teams use the regular season as prep time. I watched Pelham throw out five plus lines in a game maybe looking at different things. Rye is flying right now too
Remember- it is not relevant how hard Pelham’s schedule wil become, but how hard it has been thus far in comparison to Rye’s. I make the argument that Rye’s and Pelham’s 7 opponents to date are very similar.
Rye: WSW plays a lot of VERY tough teams that fly under the Radar when it comes to the public school ranking committes. A lot of those Catholic and private teams they play would win state titles in the NY State tournament
how does PELHAM lose a game with all that talent back?
Thinking…Because they play top notch competition good for them!
It really is absurd that Rye (and pelham) have to travel 7 or 8 hours to play in a Holiday tounament … for what?!!! It’s so hard to make a trip like that on the families and Kids during the Christmas break again it’s not nessessary!
There is so much good competition down here thaat would make for a good and interesting tournament.
How about Rye, Pelham, Suffern, St Anthony’s, Fairfield Prep, Don Bosco a Long Island team etc that would be fun and interesting and they can manage to play more then 2 games!
@obsessive…. woywitka likes the way u think
I have to laugh at some of the posts related to WSW-Rye 6-6 tie. I saw posted about WSW ‘they looked like a state power’ , ‘WSW looked real strong’, ‘they play mostly Div 1 schools and do really well’. Well, the truth of the matter is that Rye had an off day and tied a game they should have won. Allowing 6 goals to anyone let alone WSW is disappointing. WSW is not, by any shape or manner, a power. In all fairness, they are not a lousy team and are having a pretty good year so far but let’s not be filing our baloons with a lot of hot air. WSW has in most years, taken a back seat to West Seneca East. They are a small Div 2 school that has never gotten even a whiff of Utica. I don’t think they have won a playoff game in several years. The point being, Rye should have won this game rather easily and will have to do much better if they have their sights on a state title.
Every team has its own philosophy on scheduling. Some teams favor playing weaker teams and others want more challenging schedules. Pelham by playing that hard schedule obviously thinks its best for them. The fact that its only a 20 game season would make sense not to waste any on blow outs or non competitive games. Its has worked for them for decades as they have always put themselves out there against the best teams and have always been successful especially come playoff time. Keep in mind that section 1 teams cannot just go and play Connecticut or jersey teams, The teams outside the section according to the state rules says that there must be an agreement between the section and the out of section schools. Theres a list of what is called “friends or neighbors” that lists teams outside that new york state publics can play. I am of the opinion the reason Rye travels is to play teams and play at venues they may have to play in the state tournament. That is the reason the teams travel to see possible opponents for the states.
good point schedule! It really is tough and very expensive though. Rye will make 3 upstate trips this year..is that rellay nessessary? What about them coming down here?
Agree Sweet home. Problem here on this blog is that certain fans and supporters of certain teams want to say every game they play is a game against pro teams. WSW is a second fiddle to WSE. WSW is better this year than they have been but on a state level they are not there. I am surprised the Rye team would come all this way to play teams at this level that they could get sown in section 1 playing there own section. If they came up to play Williamsville North or Fairport that would be a different story.
Sweet Home. Do you know anything about sec 6? ( I went to school there) WSW and WSE play a lot of tough teams…it would be like Rye playing Iona, RCDS, Suffern and Pelham day in and day out
Sweet home et al…Section 6 was not even allowed to play in the State tourney until 2001. WSW is now a Division 1 team (small school?) You don’t know what you are talking about. They do go back and forth between d1 and d2 ‘b but they are NOT a small school!
Section 1 and Section 6 are the only 2 sections in the State that do not allow the Catholic schools in there are to play in or compete for a section or State title. To me that’s unfair and telling. Sec 6 has GREAT Catholic school programs ( far superior to sec 1’s teams) and that who wsw and wse play a lot!
false info obsessive. Mc Quaid and St joes are very good but not all their games are against those types of teams.
False info? In respect to what? Are saying the WSW and WSE have light schedules?
Obsessive – Mamo is making FOUR trips upstate this year to play a total of seven games. Lots of wear and tear on the kids nevermind the families. They also only play seven home games out of the 20 total.
One of the best thing about the high school hockey experience is playing in front of your friends and classmates. Mamk – Scarsdale atomsphere was great this year – with strong representation from both schools fans. Unfortunately, the way the “system” is set up for a lot of these schools, the kids have limited home games during a given year.
Agreed rjmkrm!
From friends still up in Sec 6 I have it on good word that WSE and WSW are quite “Loaded” this year and this is why I’m both surprised and impressed that Rye did as well as they did. They could very well be wrong (one went to WSW, so it’s possible) but’s that why I predicted a Rye loss.
Anyway Why does Rye even have to make such a trip. they are a well established and respected program WHY WHY make this trip and put the kids and families through this? Sweet Home et al was right in this repect . WSW and WSE are not woth THAT MUCH EFFORT. How about them comming down here to Play Pelham, Rye and Suffern…..these teams certainly have earned it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good Luck Brett Pesce with the US National U18 team over the next 2 weeks!
http://www.jerseyhitmen.net/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=254:pesce-to-don-red-white-and-blue&catid=6:eastern-junior-news&Itemid=16
Hey Obsessive,
Have you ever heard of JFK Catholic High School. They have been apart of section 1 since the first year they had a team. In order for catholic schools to play in section 1 they have to pay dues to be apart of section one. You are 100% ignorant when you state the section 1 does not allow catholic schools to play in section. Ursuline in all sports, Albertus Magnus in all sports play in section one. JFK Catholic won Public SChool state championships in Basketball and Baseball.
Please do your homework before you post what you THINK is facts.
So your “unfair and telling” of section one is false. It is unfair and telling when you get on here blabbering about stuff and calling the section unfair when you have been exposed as a fraud. Now go away, come back with some facts.
theres something called {friends/nieghbors} section 1 can play non section 1 teams if they are on that list. You cannot just go out of section and play who you want
Obsessive is obviously speaking from ignorance if he believes WSW is a strong school. “Sec 6 was not allowed in state tourney until 2001 has what to do with what”??
I also went to school in the Buffalo area. WSW plays in a 3rd, maybe 4th now, tier division which is for smaller schools. They may play 5 or 6 games against the likes of WillyNorth, Lancaster, Clarence, OP, etc. and usually lose them all. They are lumped in a division with the Kenmores, my old school Sweet Home, WillyEast, etc. As for your comment that WSW should be ranked above Rye and Pelham is proposterous and tells me you’ve been away from home for a long long time.
I hope obbsessive is not one of these fans trying to prop up Ryes schedule by saying how great the competition is. Assuming people do not know about these out of section opponents. We already have someone who posts frequently that pumps them up enough
Rye has the beat 5 line
Everyone who is underestimating rye just look at past games. Rye Beats Glens Falls 3-0 and Pelem lost 6-5. Rye beats Shaker Colony 6-1 and Pelem only beats them 6-4. Enough said.
Rocket Catholic schools and private schools are not allowed to Play for sec 1 HOCKEY champioships or compete in the State tourney..talk about ignorance!.
Sweet Home WSW is (was on the cusp) Div 1 (small school huh) They are a strong program no matter what you have to say!
This is not college football. A win is a win regardless of the score. Rye has not beaten Pelham in the last three meetings? Lets see how the game goes in February
By the way last years Pelham win at West Point was an upset. That was supposed to be Ryes big year with a group of talented seniors
stepinac-st.edmund was today 6:45 at ice hutch…should be 3rd period by now..
If JFK or Magnus had hockey teams they would be allowed to play hockey in the section 1 hockey league because they are part of section 1 athletics. They dont have Hockey teams so it is a non issue. They also would be allowed to partake in the states as they do in every other sport. Catholic schools can all ask to be part of section 1. Section would vote to allow them or not. Any school looking to join section 1 would have to come in to section in every sport.
Info, wth r u talking about. JFK does have hockey. And if they were good enough to win at west point, they would. JFK catholic could be section one champs if they were good enough
I will repeat Catholic and private schools at this point are not allowed to Play for sec 1 or section 6 Championship in ICE HOCKEY. They could try to gain admission, but there are a number of Hoops they would have to jump through to do so.
I, for one, would love to see RCDS make the move to sec 1 whatever they have to do, they would be a great addition and compete for a D2 title amost every year.
they would not have done anything in D 2 last year. They were not better than Pelham Rye or John jay. If they came into section 1 they would have to be d 1 since they can recruit. They are better this year but still like Iona have not beaten a quality section 1 team in years if at all
Hey Rocket man I don’t know who you are or who you root for and don’t care much, but please don’t come on here and spout off with your diatribe and accuse other of” Not knowing facts” as you call them before you look in the mirror. see below
State TournamentNYSPHSAA, each section has different sets of rules for eligibility of Catholic teams to participate in the State Tournament. Section I and VI do not allow Catholic schools to compete for the Public State Tournament. The Catholic schools from Section I and VI meet in Catholic High School State Athletic Association one game championship. NYSPHSAA has pre-determined state tournament brackets with each section sending one team per section and at-large teams in one-game elimination. The Final Four for both Division I, II have been played in Utica, New York’s Memorial Auditorium.
NYSPHSAA doesn’t allow Catholic Teams to play for a public school state championship, but I think JFK, since they play in Section 1 and not in CHSHL would be allowed if they were to win the section, I am sure Coach Orlando could shed some color on this. The Catholics up in Buffalo and CHSHL down here play against each other for their own state chamionship (Upstate vs. Downstate).
Actually I am sure JFK would be allowed to play for a State Championship if they made it, Burke Catholic has been to states, so I guess there is some exception to this rule.
good question for Coach Orlando on JFK TA DA
not sure either for RCDS if they would be d1 or d2. I don’t think it would have anything to do with recruiting, which would be curtailed somewhat anyway should they get into sec 1. I think it would go by size…but not 100% sure interesting though.
TA DA Burke Catholic is in sec 9 again ONLY SEC 1 AND SEC 6 DO NOT ALLOW THE CATHOLICS
Listen, those of you who are saying WSW is “second fiddle” to WSE clearly does not know anything. WSW beat WSE 6-1 this year. They are a growing talented team. Past years mean nothing. Also Rye and Pelham are playing Febuary 1st, we will see who the better team is then.
Well said big guns! It will be a sold out classic and a good warm-up to the probable sec final
RCDS would be Division II if they joined Section 1 (Division II 1099-below) it goes by school enrollment.
I’ll bet my house on it. JFK Catholic could win the state championship in hockey if they won. THink about it, JFK is always in the playoffs, so lets say they make it to west point. Do you think John Orlando is going to then tell them…. oh by the way if you win, you will not be section champs and you can’t go on to states. Why would JFK even be in the playoffs?. So yes obsession, you are 100% wrong. Not to mention JFK Catholic and URsuline and the other catholic school in Dutchess County (the name escapes me) have all won Public school state championships in different sports. These schools pay a hefty sum to be able to be included in section 1. And of course section 1 in their greed take the money.
Albertus Magnus in Rockland also plays in section 1 in all the sports that they have.
@don beaman- its pelham*
st.ed 1, stepinac 0
if stepinac can’t beat mount tomorrow (friday) 6:45 at the ice hutch, they have major problems..
This is for obsessive. Section One does allow Catholic Schools to participate in section and NYSPHSAA championships. Section 9 does the same thing. Schools must apply for membership but it must be for all sports. They cannot pick and choose. The CHSAA schools as far as I know have never applied to become members of Section 1.
If JFK/PV wins the section D 2 title they would be off to Utica for the final four.
As far as Section 6 is concerned I do not know the answer but will try to find out.
why does everyone talk about st. Anthonys, no one cares about them.
@Sweet Home, someones mad that their team “Sweet Home” got beat pretty badly by WSW, your really dishing out low blows to WSW.
Thanks for clearing that up Coach! I knew there are a whole lot of hoops that privates has to go through, and according to the NYSPHSA Catholics arn’t allowed to play in either sec 1 or sec 6 and I was going by that. I guess they do allow exceptions such as JFK, and I stand corrected…... but what about recruitment? Are there limitations for that?
@gator nobodies talking about st anthony’s moron.
Thanks Coach Orlando for straightening that out.
Gator- not dishing low blows to anyone. I couldn’t have told you the result when they played WSW this year, so I’m glad you were able to locate ushsho or whatever site you got the score.
I was not bashing the kids or the WSW team. I was stating what I believe is a fact: Rye is a superior team and should have won that game. ALso, I think anyone that knows anything about section vi hockey would agree that WSW is not a top program, not low blows but simply an educated opinion. Would someone come on this blog and try to convince the masses that say a Lakeland Panas is a big time program? You couldn’t sell it. LP has had some sucessful years and have great kids, i’ve actually had the pleasure to meet and work with a couple of them. Anyway,
enough, this is a section 1 blog.
Coach Orlando I have one more question for you..is the one sport all sports rule apply just to section one and sec 6 because of the CHSAA?
Also, have you heard anything from coach Zegras from Rye? The last I heard he was coaching the RCDS girls hockey. I still remember your epic Battles with Rye/Suffern in the 70’s and 80’s!
@sweethome, all im saying is you can never judge a team on past years or if nobodys really seen them play
Obsessive. Go ahead and say it out loud. “I was dead wrong and shouldn’t open my yapper when I get exposed as knowing nothing”. Zegras is down in Florida now, recruiting outsiders to play on his golf team. Some things never change.
OK TERRIFIC Whatever you say there O terrific one They still do not allow the catholics ( and I mean the CHSAA) to play for the section championship and that was my point.
Congratulations you found a little loophole…that makes you so terriffic I guess. JFK is one of those programs no body cares about in Hockey anyway so what’s YOUR point in all this.
When you say Juvenile things like you do…. YOU get exposed as being a child
Congrats to Steve Santini on scoring a goal in USA’s 4-1 win over Czech Republic in Under-17 world championships
http://www.usahockey.com/Template_Usahockey.aspx?NAV=TU_04_03_02&id=310368
The only sport that would benefit Iona and Fordham to play section 1 in would be hockey and lacrosse. These sports are competed better in section 1. However, at these schools the administrators care less for these sports than King football and basketball.
For all the other sports. i.e., Football and basketball (primarily) and baseball, these all-male schools are better off remaining with the CHSAA.
They would never even consider joining section 1.
Stepinac too.
This used to be such a nice blog…...
Some have been accusing Suffern for bringing in outsiders to play for them for years. Zegras was accused of doing that especially his Neghew Gregg Zegras. I’m sure it does go on with a kid moving to town to live with a relative or friend and if they pay a tuition it’s legal. I guess.
Mostly the accusations are from programs and fans that are Jealous of the year in and year oy success of some teams. Zegrras’s biggest coup was getting the Holmes brother all 4 of them to play for Rye. They lived in Purchase so they had their Choice of Rye, Harrison or White Plains…if you wanted to play Hockey which school woud you go to?
The one that would put me as far from you as possible!!!
Interesting
obsessive is really workin the keyboard lately…pretty down on JFK
The very next post (9:10 am) offers congrats to Steve Santini for scoring a goal for team USA. Santini, according to obsessive, apparently played HS puck for “one of those programs no body cares about in Hockey”
good one.
not down on JFK, I’m sure it’s a great school, but this is a hockey blog..they are just not really a relavent hockey program right now.
I’m sick of Obsessive. You are truly that. Your comments are negative and ridiculous. D1 is the only thing that matters? JFK is irrelevant? Catholics can never go to States from section 1? And you’re so obnoxious about it with all of the exclamation points. Like you are yelling at your computer at home. You act so righteous about what you think you know Dude, chill out and get off the soap box. And find something else to do occasionally. You have been posting non stop for days. Do you have a job or are you a kid on break? If so, I can’t wait for the real to be over.
*break to be over
Lol, JFK is irrelevant? High school hockey, no matter how good or bad your team is, IS relevant. Because many of those “irrelevant” teams do some big things. Like new rochelle knocking mamaroneck out of the playoffs last year, after losing to mamaroneck 7-3 two weeks prior. JFK had one of the best overall players to ever play in section one. So that does make them relevant as he continues to grab headlines. The better teams get more ink, but that’s normal, we are all human beings, making us all relevant, and every player that plays in section one is relevant.
And why the hell would section one allow Iona, stepinac etc to participate in the public school playoffs? D your realize that you need to pay a large fee to participate in section one? Also you can’t just join section one for one sport. JFK plays every sport in section one.
As for zegras, he did notl hide the fact that they took players from other towns, he was blatant. Te Holmes boys did not have the choice of all those high schools because they lived in purchase, I think they just paid the tuition. Don’t forget staropli from new Rochelle left nrhs his senior year to play for rye, and Keith Collins left white plains to play for rye his senior year too. Not sure how they flanagled that, sdbut they did. Under no other coach did these situation occur. This is why I respect the heck out of what todays rye coaches are doing. No BS, they do a great and underrated job, they develop kids who belong with the program. You hear a lot about schelling, chap, Witz, but not too much about Friesen and his staff. They seem to like flying under the radar.
Keith collins was 21 years old whenm he played for Rye, a very dirty player also
Just to throw in my two cents – Hope that Pearl River continues to win games – really good core group of kids – not a threat in the playoffs yet – hope they continue to build depth and keep more and more of their kids – I’m still amazed why parents would spend big bucks to send their kids to privates when they live in a good school district – chasing the dream and sitting on the bench – good for them
I sure did get some of you guys going this week! Yea I’m off for the week and being a bit chippy, but that’s how i played!
I played with the Holmes brothers, not at RHS but I know that they lived in Purchase and when you do you have the choice between Rye, White Plains and Harrison and Rye was their choice. The youngest went to prep and play d1.
Zegras was Zegras some people and players loved him and some really hated him, but he did help put section 1 on the map as far as Hockey was concerned. Remember Suffern was sec 9 until 1983. Kids who were really good and could not afford or did not want to go to Prep ( I don’t blame them) had little choice then Rye was a good option…it really was not like it is today Sec 1 hockey was in it’s infancy. It has improved a lot since then.
have a happy new Year everyone …even you Rocket Man!
BY the way I respect ASNYONE who laces up their skates and plays Ice Hockey…you need serious Balls to play the best game there is!
Obsessive. This question is for you. Since we all concede that somehow players who played high school hockey for other high schools, then went to rye senior year. Is this cheating? Also, should a coach be able to be in the high school coaches hall of fame if he does that?
Also. I’m fairly sure you are wrong about being able to choose which high school you can go to when you live in purchase. Every district is clearly defined, there is no overlap. I also believe that the Holmes were extremely wealthy and could pay tuition to any high school they wanted. While not , it is legal. Rye was the best option. Mamaroneck wouldn’t take them.
Here’s another question, are all those rye section and regional championships under zebras tainted? The fact that this is even a legit question leads me to believe the answer is yes in my opinion.
Lots of Questions here dude! I do know, because Puchase did not ( I don’t know about now) have a high school and that they did in fact have that choice between Rye, Harrison and Wht Plains. We even talked about it.
Anyway to your point on Zegras. I believe he did what he was allowed to do at that time. Rye had a lot of good players from Rye then as they still do now, but he really wanted to win a State title and bring respect to “downstate hockey” as it was referred to then.
Did he rub some the wrong way YES , did he bend the rules a bit?,,, yes he did, but again he was instramental in helping section 1 hockey get on the state map and you have to at least give him credit for that!
Do I think anything is tainted..well that arguement can be made, but the fact is that he did it and that can’t be taken away. He didn’t put a gun to anybodies head to play for him…he created a program that was geared towards winning a State title and good players were drawn to that. The fact that he came up short is perhaps Karma, but he deserves credit for trying…very few others, with the exception of John Orlando, then in sec 9 with Suffern, did.,.
For an old timer like me, I can surely remember how the “upstate teams” had little regard for downstate hockey and Zegras was determined to change that. For that sec 1 hockey today should be grateful to him for taking the initiative anyway. I wonder how Coach Orlando feels about that…I know they worked together to push sc 1 and 9 hockey. I don’t know how Coach orlando feels about Zegras personally, but they both deserve upmost respect for the progress sec 1 hockey has made in the last 20 or 30 years agaist big odds!
Obsessive- wow!! for someone from upstate or section 6 as you pointed out you sure know a lot about the players, coaches, the workings & history of downstate here in sec 1. You claim to have your finger on the pulse of hockey up there now but it sounds like youve been down here for a long time. I won’t say what I think. This is a family blog and I’ll just leave it alone.
and you’re point is sweet home?
I’m from down here yes Duh, but went to school in Buffalo… so again what’s you’re point?
There are loop holes everywhere in life and some take advantage of them and others choose not to. Check out Mount Vernon’s basketball program and research the former residence of many of their players, players move into towns to be on a strong team. Look at Suffern and some of it’s players over the years, kids somehow finding addresses to meet their needs to play where they wish. It may be unethical, but often done in a legal fashion where we can all point fingers but do nothing about other than say, “There cheating”. But are they? Or are they just beating the system like the companies that headquarters oversee’s to avaoid paying taxes in the USA. It is all the same, some will push the envelope and others will always follow the rules. Are those who follow the rules the suckes while others take advantage of the system?
My Vernons roster is like corporations being headquartered in Delaware
“Kids” don’t find addresses to meet their needs. Coaches and or parents do. Illegal, unethical, cheating? Yes , yes and yes. But coaches and parents are willing to try it because there is pretty much NO punishment except the kid will have to leave the district.
Good point Rocket Fuel.
FACTS December 30th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
“Keith collins was 21 years old whenm he played for Rye, a very dirty player also”
I think FACTS has his facts wrong. I grew up in Mr. Collins neighborhood and played hockey my whole life as well, and he was not 21 years old playing high school hockey, that’s just stupid. And dirty player? You can remember someones style of play from the 80?s? More likely that he schooled you a few times, a great player as was his younger brother, both of whom I looked up to. More importantly they were always very nice and respectable young men who are good family men today.