The depth that Pelham is constantly developing will come in handy on the big ice against Saratoga, which had some off-ice upheaval earlier in the season and has dropped three in a row. The Blue Streaks lost to Williamsville North 4-3 yesterday at Tate.
Share a score if you’re out watching today, I’m still resting and relaxing. And I have to figure out a way to beat Thing 2 in NBA 2K12 before the week’s out.
Wednesday, Dec. 28
NTZ Holiday tournament
Ossining vs. Newburgh, 10:45 a.m. at Palisades
Pearl River vs. Nyack/Tappan Zee, 6 p.m. at Palisades
Pelham vs. Saratoga, 4 p.m. at West Point
Rye vs. West Seneca East, 3:30 p.m. at West Seneca Ice Rink
Iona Prep vs. Chaminade, 6:30 p.m. at Ice Hutch
Yesterday
Pearl River 7, Ossining 0
Nyack/Tappan Zee 2, Newburgh 1
Mamaroneck 5, Ithaca 0
Guilderland/Mononasen 3, North Rockland 2
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Mike-
I’d like to give kudos to whoever brought in this new mobile version of the blog. It is great. Looks better on my phone then the regular version looks on my laptop.
doubleheader at the ice hutch
st.ant’s-st.joe’s after ip-cham game
i would like to see pearl river play a good team to see if they could be the real deal
Except for the obligatory Suffern game, usually PR won’t set a schedule of section power teams. Hasn’t been that type of program. Nor would you expect Rye and Pelhan to reach out to PR to enhance there schedules.
But the Pirates played ETB very close (ETB empty net goal for a 2 score win) and beat New Rochelle. Later games against Clarkstown and how close they play Suffern will be good tests.
Seems they have good senior leadership and nice young players enabling 2 strong lines, and a very capable goaltender, who would be recognized much more if he played for one of the traditional power teams.
...I’ll also retell that PR losses the most quality players to the private schools in the section.
If the handful of Bosco kids and the Harvey school kid had remained at PR, they would be a serious D2 challenge, hands down no. 2 team in Rockland, and dare I say…be able to give Suffern a real 3 period game.
pearl river nyack tz should be a nail-biter. definately one to watch tonight
..oh yeah..don’t know if you are being serious ..
But it is a rivalry game, PR has proven to be good, and NTZ is improved… it is perhaps there best team since their merger.
I’d equate this game to any of the number of Conference One league games (Brewster) that are played…much local interest, not as much section-wide interest.
WOW Ithaca must really be bad.
Any scores from rye or pelham
no one cares about a pelham scrimage mike should talk about other teams once in a while
Yeah how bout rye being 6-0. Four of those games being against upstate teams
Rye won 4-3
Benincasa scored all the goals
@BMB no need to make it personal. its just stupid how much coverage pelham gets
Not making it personal but other teams also like Mahopac ending brewsters undefeated stretch.
Hackleys club team is beating stepinac after 2 2-1 at ice hutch
Pelham game, no scrimmage.
4-3 Saratoga in overtime.
Pelham played their backup goalie the entire game. Saratoga was down 3-1 with 5min left in the 3rd.
Sorry, and this sounds a little mean BUT Noboby else really matters at this point in section 1, EXCEPT Rye, Pelham and Suffern until proven otherwise.
The rest of the programs have to play upstate to make their bones and take their lumps then they will matter and people will care.
Stepinac hockey left with miano
Exhibition game final
Hackley (club) 5, stepinac 1
Can we finally come to the conclusion that section 1 is as good a section as there is in the state? Just because you played an upstate teams and won does not mean what it once did. There are plenty of weak teams upstate. If you really want to play tough competition, try scheduling one of the New Jersey top teams, or Connecticut teams, seems like you could do this and save yourself alot of money. Long Island (Im not sure if thats legal since they are not part of the state public league).
obsessive, your post is ridiculous. While those teams are good this year, there are several teams in D2 that could definitely pull an upset and win D2. Pelhams goalie situation seems like it is in flux. Last years goalie not playing vs. Saratoga tells you that that position is not settled yet. Does anyone know if their senior goalie is sick?
You never know what is going to happen.
Chaminade scored 2 minutes in..then went up 2-0..reilly with late 1st period goal..2-1 after 1
I hardly think it’s rediculous as you say. Right now it is the truth, nobody really cares about any of the other teams until they prove they are capeable of competing with the upstate powers. Section one is simply not on the level of many upstate sections. Rye, Pelham and Suffern can and do compete with them, but still have won only one title in either D1 or D2 in the 30 year history of the State tounament…. this speaks for itself!
As far as your other points i do happen to agree strongly…. that sec 1 teams, even the “big 3” would benefit from playing the top teams from NJ, CT and Long Island…..
When Stepinac, Iona, and RCD decide to do whatever it takes to Join sec 1 and compete for a State Title we can start caring about them also!
We do win more than we lose against upstate teams, you are right about not winning state championships, but we are not considered an easy win like we used to. The sections all have 2-3 great teams with a rich tradition, but the rest of their teams are equal and even worse than are mid level teams. The great teams from Section X are no more, the amount of parity amongst sections are more than equal now. My two cents…
Rocket, i gave you a final comment from our earlier discussion on the orher thread
Ta Da i will concede that the differance between downstate Hockey and upstate hockey is not nearly as great as it once was…but it is still there. In fairness to Sec I Ice time and “Pond & River time”down here is very limited and much more expensive then upstate.
The Kids up there grow up in a more hockey oriented culture then down here, where there are many more programs for kids that are less expensive.
I agree, they do “Skate the River” (St. Lawrence River area) as they say up there and they do have a hockey culture much like CanaDUH where everyone learns to skate at an early age, They have more opportunities to learn the game. But, we offset that by having higher salaries in general than upstate and you see our sections parents willing to pay to get our kids on the ice. I think they offset themselves once they get to high school, in addition Section 1 has more high schools than most other sections.
The Readers Digest version of my ramblin above is… At an early age they have a clear advantage, but as they get to HS I believe the amount of ice time is equal, hence the parity.
Chaminade 5 iona 3
Chaminade was up 5-1
Iona sleeping/soft entire game until 5 minutes left when they scored 2 and decided to hit,forecheck,play aggressive, play with a sense of urgency,stand up on the bench
St Anthony st Joes at the Hutch
Everyone on st ants is a first line player with a rocket for a shot..not sure why they play chshl still..above and beyond in terms of skill..
Remember about upstate: All the really good kids either play major junior or are scouted for Honeybaked and Little Caesar’s. You’re playing what’s left.
Upstate has lost a lot of population. Many of the great HS players from 20 years ago have moved and there is less re-populating the hockey gene pool so to speak
Are headed for a really exciting game coming up soon. Rye is playing some very average upstate teams, nothing really spectacular. Pelham always over doses on the traditionally strongest in the state circuit. I feel Rye and Pelham will be one of the best to watch. Rye is consistent. I give Pelham lots of credit for playing the games they play against the teams they do and really putting themselves out there against the better teams in the state. They obviously are willing to take some possible losses and the bumpy road and make all the games as challenging and hard as they can. Good Luck to both
pelham does not have a senior goalie, one junior and one sophomore goaltender. witz will always play the player(s) that give him the best chance to win. large roster means competition at all positions and thats a good thing. players earn their time by working hard.
i stand corrected …..... gives the TEAM the best chance to win.
I agree, st ants would be much better served playing the likes of don bosco,fairfield prep,delbarton,portledge,and NE Preps as they are head and shoulders above everyone in the downstate region with the exception of suffern who might give them a game….they do it in lacrosse and other sports, why not hockey ?
ants plays chsfl
and by the way, joes is giving them a game
believe its 1 goal game in 3rd
Rye and Pelham’s schedules have been very similar thus far. But, with a bunch of upcoming matches with Suffern and a very tough close to the regular season, Pelham will test themselves more than the Garnets thru 20. Agree the Feb 1 game at Playland should be super.
To @Tada- the best kids down here play USNDP and DI prep.
MW tied shaker tonight. 2-2. We are a very average team.
rye wins again 4-3. still undefeated 6-0. Benincasa with 4 great goals. i got rye fever!
@ants yes i know but they also play nonconference games and scrimmages against other teams in all sports other than a couple in hockey
Blue line… St. A’s plays the likes of those teams.. They played port ledge and won 3-2.. And also played st. Peters prep last week and won.
For whatever reason the other teams in the league have lost a huge step this season.
The game tonight against st. Joes was littered with horrific officiating. They had 0 control of any aspect of the game… It was actually the worst officiating ever witnessed! Ugh! It turned into a real mess!
Port ledge game was 4-2 btw..
what was the score for st ants-st joes ? i heard there was a lot of fights…and yes i know they play those teams but i think they should play them alot more to supplement the league schedule…they always used to just play portledge once before the season as their one Non league game
Final of st.joes game was 5-2 I think.. But playing the actual game was put on hold at the end of the second beginning of the third when both teams had 10 guys in the box..
After the ref DQed the goalie from st. Joes for yelling obscenities at him, he recanted his decision, after he realized st. Joes only had one goalie! Most ridiculous decision ever… Would have prevented a lot of fights in the game. They decided to start calling 2 and 10s for anyone who got into any type of scuffle.. It was almost comical.!
I heard st. A’s wants to schedule a game against suffern and don bosco.. Who knows.. All i can say is they are a machine!
yeah they were missing a few players as well tonight and yes they want to scrimmage them….hopefully they will happen!!!
bosco is 10-0 (who play iona in ‘12 lol), delbarton is 7-0
http://www.njhockey.org/2011-12NJStandings.html
would be interesting if st.ant’s can get them..
anthony’s is basically long island’s cream of the crop
apple core bags, bobcat bags, royals bags..all walk in for anthony games..actually a joy to watch..they roll lines of fast, big, hard-hitting, hard-shooting bodies…most advanced level of hs hockey to watch in our tri-state area without going to watch NE prep/boarding (ie, brunswick, avon) or delbarton
after watching some game-tape of bosco (thank you msg varsity), i would say anthony’s and bosco would be a 1-goal game either way
Can I hear more St. Anthonys talk? I can’t get enough. I am so interested in players from STaten Island. Can Mike please do a inside the helmet on each of the players from St. Anthonys, maybe a bio on the coaching staff?
Please more pontificating on who would win an imaginary game St. Anthony or Delbarton, or St. Anthony or Don Bosco, or St. Anthony vs. The NY Rangers, Boston Bruins etc.
Listen, If I am interested in going to see “Most advanced level of hockey” I will go see the NHL teams, or Manhattanville, or Army. I will not go see some team I never heard of or care about on Staten Island. I have no intention of ever going on the forgotten borough that nobody cares about. What I am gathering is this, St. Anthonys like Bosco is an allstar team of all the best players in the area. This blog is not about that, it is about the local teams in section 1. I am sure teams from Michigan think that St. Anthonys would be a joke, but we are not talking about Michigan HS hockey either. I don’t know, maybe its me, we get your point, St. Anthonys is a good HS hockey team from Staten Island. Enough.
lesson #1 for rocket fuel
st.anthony’s is located in long island, a hot-bed 20x bigger than staten island for sports (inparticular hockey, lacrosse)
seems to really know his hockey..
lesson #2
michigan hs hockey is actually not as strong as you think
he must be getting confused with that other state that starts with an M, or maybe that country that is just north of michigan
Fan,
I know Pelham has Suffern coming up, I think thats not the big game, it will be the Rye Pelham game that I think will be the best one. I disagree with your assessment though on the comparison of the two teams schedules. I know you are aware of Ryes schedule and I know you are a Rye rooter but you need to be objective if you are going to analyze the game. I know you can only go so far in comaring scores. Rye has one ‘big’ win over Bethlehelm who only beat Mamaroneck by a goal and Bethlehelm has not beaten anyone either. Ryes real big win is over Glens Falls. Their other win against Mount Pleasant is not so big. Looking at their schedule the upstate games are not against strong teams, the two Senecas Ogdensburg and Ti are not strong teams, the only one I see is the McQuaid game thats strong. Rye is also stuck with too many weak league games. I see only the game against Pelham, Mc Quaid as true tests for Rye. The rest of that schedule is quite ordinary. Pelham on the other side has Suffern at least twice Glens Falls, Queensbury, although not as strong as they used to be but still better than 75% of Ryes schedule. Etb is a strong team that Pelham plays and Rye does not. Saratoga, Williamsville east are much better than most of Ryes schedule. Rome Free Academy is very good as is Massena and Salmon River. So its really not close on the schedule. Then it becomes what is the value of a weak or hard schedule. Looking at last season it appeared that it may have been a difference maker for Pelham. Only time will tell. Just being objective
While we’re at it, can someone enlighten us on the state of hs hockey in Sweden, Russia, and Latvia?
Enough with the whinefest. I thought the time for “airing” of the grievances had passed? When do we get Bigby’s year end awards?
For for- I did say by the end of the regular season Pelham’s schedule will be more difficult than Rye’s, for all the upcoming Pelham games you cite. My point was that the Rye/Pelham schedules to date are very, very similar. Pelham has one more game than does Rye. That will even up today. West Sen West similar to ETB. GF and Shaker are common opponents. Beth is 8-1 while Toga is 6-5 with both playing DI in Sec 2. Qbury is way down this year (3-6) and similar to Rye’s opponent yesterday. New Ro and Jay vs. Mt P and Scarsdale is a push.
Suffern should play the likes of Don Bosco and St Anthony’s then I will care about them…...
Big game today between Bethlehem and MW.
What do we think about the West Seneca West v. Rye game today? Any outcome predictions?
Much of this exuberance for St Anthony’s is likely the chshl fans saying..”hey, our league is relevant, we have one of the best teams in the state too.”
St A’s is a good team, but all they have done is maintain there level of play. They’ve been good for the last 5 years and remain competitive at the state level. However, I’m not sure they have ever beaten the upstate Catholic Champ? I do not recall.
But all the other CHSHL teams are down…Farrell, SJBS, Iona, Fordham, Chaminade, St Mary’s all have had better teams, not to mention the Stepinac too. For THIS year…CHSHL is “good’ hockey not great, and section 1 is an overall better league.
I give them great credit though…it is very difficult to run a self-funded league like the CHSHL, and the city-long island and westchester catholic administrations are much more attuned a caring about the basketball and football products there school offers. The hockey is only largely maintained by the efforts of the hockey players and families and the funding they do. Far less support than other sports receive from the school.
One of the reasons I feel St. Anthony’s may not beat Suffern is that Suffern is disciplined and would probably not take stupid penalty’s. St. Anthony’s although chock full of great skilled players have that LI hockey swagger and they may wind up down a man often.
When you mix talent and discipline and stay out of the box for stupid macho stuff you have a better chance of exposing a team who is in the box.
No doubt about it St. Anthony’s can play it the way it should be hard hitting great forecheck and speed with great talent and skill but I still bet Suffern wins if the officials call it fairly.
My disclaimer I do not have a kid on either team never did nor am I a fan of either but as a hockey having seen both impressive teams I give the edge to Suffern. Would love to see them play.
The Rules, so basically you said the same thing 3 times, just worded it differently. St. Anthony’s players are bigger more talented BUT are really dumb, and don’t understand what it takes to win games. Thanks for the insight..
Postman Yes! did I break you rule of over Emphasis?
Your tone seems annoyed?
Senecas are not as good as ETB. Sorry.
I see that North Rock lost to Guilderland. That is a horrible loss.
Guilderland hasn’t been any good since Sir Ulrich von Lichtenstein played there.
A man can change his stars you know Ned
The Rules, no not annoyed and I don’t think there is a rule yet..
Rye? west seneca west… tough call but I think Rye’s undefeated season comes to an end WSW 4 Rye 2. If Rye does happen to win this game they should be ranked at or near the top of D2 in the State. Rye /Pelham will be a hell of a game!
St Anthony 4 Rye 3
St Anthony 6 Pelham 4
Suffern 5 St Anthony 4
I can’t wait until section one gets back in full swing. This Staten Anthony talk is ponderous. To Rules, how would u know anything about Staten Anthony’s? Do you go to their practices and games? Or are you just getting moist because some of their players play juniors? Or is it just that you want to tweak suffern? Bottom line is, whether you like suffern or not, whether u like the way they have run things or not….suffern is consistently one of the best teams in the state…. And that’s including private schools. No frigging way staten Anthony’s beats up on suffern, no frigging way. Sufferns goaltending and team defense is so strong that it enables them to stay tight with any team no matter if they have more talent or not.
Rules- smools! If the teams down here would just get their act together so the best programs would just get it done and play each other it…. would be best for all…and not to mention less expensive for the parents and schools. Suffern/ Rye and Pelham should play Brunswick (NO PG’S) St Anthony’s, DonBosco and the LI power schools year in and year out. Toughen them up for the State competition even if they lose
you must living on another planet if you think saint anthony’s is in staten island
these schools should be played by section1 for section1 to play high competition in their “non-league” sched…rather than drive 7 hours upstate
saint anthony’s
portledge
greenwich
darien
brunswick
bosco
bergen catholic
st.joe’s (montvale)
delbarton
rcds
iona prep
fairfield prep
ridgefield
new canaan
notre dame-fairfield
trinity catholic
farrell
smithtown
long beach
syosset
christian brothers (nj)
morristown-beard
etc
all VERY good hockey programs
list can actually go on and on..
ABSOLUTELY! AGREED! It would be fun to watch also. Suffern gains NOTHING beating up some of the teams they play down here..in fact it’s counterproductive! I know they have obligations to fulfil, but still.
Even if they lose to a team like Brunswick ( they would, but not as badly as some may think) they would learn more from that then beating up some team like Clarkstown 13-0
A CHSHL champion has yet to beat the upstate Catholic champion.
These upstate Catholic champions usually have cross-over games with the likes of Willy North, West Genny…and do lose to them.
Therefore, ipso-facto, if Suffern can beat Willy North and West Genny (at least during the regular season) they can certainly skate with and beat a St. Anthony’s.
lol at rules…St anthony’s has one of the most disciplined teams in the league they hit hard BUT clean…And from what i have seen live and in person AND on msg varsity st anthony’s would most definately beat suffern by 2-3 goals.This is not a knock on suffern as they are a terrific squad but st ants is basically the cream of the crop of Long island.And yes st anthony’s has lost extremely close games (2-1 and 3-2) to the upstate catholic champion the last 2 years but the officiating was HORRENDOUS and blatantly favoring the hometown buffalo squads….the states are down on LI this year so hopefully it will be called even.And to Rocket fuel…if you think st anthony’s is on staten island then you should just quit talking about hockey.
st joes tied willy north this year but st ants is even better this year than the last 2 years so they should handle the upstate champion (looks down this year)
Looking forward to the unbiased and high quallty CHSHL refs.
Just refer to the posts at 1:31 and 1:37 am for some of the comments on there quality..
Rye better not lose to WSW, both Senecas are pretty good teams but certainly not state level.
To quote Tom Coughlin..”Talk is cheap”.
if the guys who reff’d the st.joe-st.ant game last night ref the title game (at ice hutch this year), which will include st.ant’s…mark my words…st.ant’s will lose
they HATE how st.ant’s was playing (jr/ncaa level of speed/adrenaline…which transformed into ferocious/violent (arguably legal) hits, lots of chip shots, etc)
not saying that they are quality,im saying maybe they wont call 10 penalties to 2 in favor of the upstate team.
and i concur, st.ant’s this year is on another level compared to the last 2 years when they lost 1 goal games in the buffalo/nyc game
Suffern doesent have 5 college recruits on their team, just saying.
I’ll tell you this St. Anthony’s does not have 5 (if any) D1 Recruits. D1 is all that really matters! They may have a couple of D3 or maybe even 1 D! but even that’s stretch. The D1 recruits are often limited to Boarding preps
St. A’s I never said they were from SI.
I have seen those kids play many times on many teams inclusive of some loose spring hockey. Spring Hockey was pretty ugly at the Hutch.
I also am quite aware of the game as its played on LI more physical and some tend to be undisciplined.
Its not a knock on St. A’s I am sure most are great kids but the games can get out of hand.
I saw them play a number of CHSHL games and the chip level is always high.
In addition I have also seen Suffren and the skill level is quite high without the same chip level.
Maybe typing reads different to some but frankly most of you guys need to get out for a walk because your ready to drop the gloves within one sentence.
My new Rule don’t attack until you are attacked as you will be called out for being pissed your kid is not playing well or riding the bench.
st ants has 2 kids with d1 interest from merrimack and boston college,plus a kid on the nhl draft list with d1 offers but i think decided on SUNY Oswego…and how does d3 not matter ? It is a very top caliber of hockey with every kid in the ncaa d3 playing AAA,Juniors, or prep school.There are maybe 4-5 kids in section 1 if that who are skilled enough to make a D3 team,let alone d1.Even d1 club hockey is good (plenty of prep school,junior A, and AAA players on those rosters).Not to mention i know about 5 kids with scholarship offers to boarding schools like avon,kent,milton academy,and salisbury.